tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25570835.post1737033280587057083..comments2023-10-24T07:43:04.056+13:00Comments on GaryMoller.com - Health, Fitness - Naturally!: How to prevent deep vein thrombosis (DVT) in athletes and traveling sports teams (updated 5/3/2014)Gary Mollerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12046982185323982734noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25570835.post-66244413262019235972013-02-18T13:20:36.443+13:002013-02-18T13:20:36.443+13:00You may be able to avoid the nausea associated wit...You may be able to avoid the nausea associated with vitmain E by having:<br />- A smaller daily dose<br />- Ensuring that is is a natural and not synthetic analogue<br />- taking it with food<br /><br />Another possibility is you have poor liver function due to medication or exposure to chemicals or heavy metals at some time in your life. Vitamin E may be eliciting a "detox".<br /><br />Best next step is to arrange to consult me. DVT is closely associated with stress, thyroid and adrenal issues.Gary Mollerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12046982185323982734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25570835.post-829665954202127262013-02-17T20:29:35.410+13:002013-02-17T20:29:35.410+13:00Hi,
I'm really interested in this thread.
I...Hi,<br />I'm really interested in this thread.<br />I've been diagnosed with a DVT twice. Neither event had a traceable cause.<br />After the second DVT I was advised to stay on warfarin for life. <br />Vitamin E sounds like a great alternative. However, whenever I've taken this in the past (as a nail strengther and skin toner) I have felt nauseous. Does anyone know if there is a likely reason for this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25570835.post-44821619914474187092008-09-11T01:37:00.000+12:002008-09-11T01:37:00.000+12:00Re aspirin: after I had my DVT, I did my homework...Re aspirin: after I had my DVT, I did my homework on PubMed and learned that aspirin is a platelet aggregation inhibitor and does almost nothing for fibrin clumping. Platelet aggregation is the cause of clots that produce strokes, while fibrin clumping produces DVTs. Two separate processes, two different treatments. And yes, both warfarin and aspirin run the risk of internal bleeding.<BR/><BR/>The science behind using Vitamin E for this purpose seems to be sound. The challenge for me has been finding a physician that follows orthomolecular principles.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25570835.post-37652856671957289232008-09-10T22:08:00.000+12:002008-09-10T22:08:00.000+12:00And while Aspirin is often recommended for athlete...And while Aspirin is often recommended for athletes to reduce arthritis related joint pain, the relief may only be temporary. Aspirin may accelerate arthritis. Yes, even the unbiquitous and seemingly harmless Aspirin is best done without! There are healthy alternatives.Gary Mollerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12046982185323982734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25570835.post-62829645734189612852008-09-10T21:35:00.000+12:002008-09-10T21:35:00.000+12:00Gary you have done very well.One point may be of i...Gary you have done very well.<BR/>One point may be of interest and that is the often recommended preventative measure of taking aspirin to prevent clotting. I would not recommend it for several reasons. Too much chance of undetected bleeding and the incidence of strokes and possibly heart attacks may be higher in those taking Aspirin according to some studies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25570835.post-36572451552765355902008-09-10T20:47:00.000+12:002008-09-10T20:47:00.000+12:00Dr NI have taken part of your latest comments and ...Dr N<BR/>I have taken part of your latest comments and added them to the bottom of the article. Let me know if this can be improved further. Your input is appreciated. I know my limitations!Gary Mollerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12046982185323982734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25570835.post-577281626320922612008-09-10T00:51:00.000+12:002008-09-10T00:51:00.000+12:00Another fact (thank you Loretta for bringing up th...Another fact (thank you Loretta for bringing up the Leiden Factor, named after the University in the Netherlands)deserves attention:<BR/>If you suspect DVT ask the person if they know their blood type. The most susceptible is type A.<BR/>Wayne, I asume you have found an effective treatment (?).<BR/>There are many colleagues who deny that CFS even exists.<BR/>And yes, you are right, I did come on a little strong at first and it takes a big man to handle it as well as Gary did.<BR/><BR/>They do teach us arrogance from day one and my school is an ancient European one.....<BR/>Another thought for those whose doctors dictate rather than advise and order long term coumadin (warfarin).Study the side effects they list and the ones they don't.<BR/>Calcifications in vital organs similar to the ones seen after long term Vit D overdose, both are based on Vitamin K deficit and treatable by Vit K. Imagine the dilemma though in warfarin users! Can't have Vit K.<BR/><BR/>Vitamin E is worth your consideration and the best strategy for overall health is to take a combination capsule or two of the tocopherols PLUS the tocotrienols which gets close to what nature provides us with.<BR/>The latter are found more in the grains so use your judgment or better find a knowledgeable doctor to advise you.<BR/> <BR/>Dr. N.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25570835.post-48761171425904923122008-09-08T16:01:00.000+12:002008-09-08T16:01:00.000+12:00Dr N yup he has to be a Dr alright, shoot first , ...Dr N yup he has to be a Dr alright, <BR/>shoot first , ask questions later and Dr's know best attitude.<BR/>I"ve had more than a few problems with Dr's assuming they know what they are about tooo quickly<BR/>did any Dr cure me of chronic fatigue? nope I had to to the research myself to do that.<BR/>so much for medical school.Waynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13582374966270259947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25570835.post-56706843134437852562008-09-07T18:36:00.000+12:002008-09-07T18:36:00.000+12:00Loretta, Thanks for the information about the Fact...Loretta, Thanks for the information about the Factor V Leiden deficiency gene. I have had one client with Factor V Leiden deficiency gene.Gary Mollerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12046982185323982734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25570835.post-41026878144629614002008-09-07T08:54:00.000+12:002008-09-07T08:54:00.000+12:00Great article, Gary. I'm surprised that DVT doesn...Great article, Gary. I'm surprised that DVT doesn't get more publicity. Here in the States, most emergency room docs didn't even look for it until about five years ago.<BR/><BR/>No article on DVT is complete without mentioning the Factor V Leiden deficiency gene. It runs in 5 percent of the US population (probably the same for any country with primarily European ancestry) and significantly increases the chance of a DVT for anyone who carries it. How significant depends on whether you're heterozygous or homozygous (the latter is quite rare but much more severe).<BR/><BR/>Sadly, estrogen products for women combined with Factor V Leiden usually spell D-V-T, often in ladies in their twenties who are taking birth control pills. I had my DVT from a hormone replacement supplement and am now debating the merits of getting off warfarin after a year of maintenance dose. The material on Vitamin E is very interesting and I will take it to my physician.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25570835.post-71489912826825527872008-09-02T14:50:00.000+12:002008-09-02T14:50:00.000+12:00Thans Dr N for the input. I have been away hiking...Thans Dr N for the input. I have been away hiking the Heaphy Track for the last week. Will make the changes in the next few days and then will republish the article.Gary Mollerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12046982185323982734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25570835.post-91433763353517183302008-08-29T10:24:00.000+12:002008-08-29T10:24:00.000+12:00Yes, Gary. Excellent job.I would possibly amplify ...Yes, Gary. Excellent job.I would possibly amplify the warning on effleurage massage a bit more and also be specific on the Vit E type. Spell out that only d-alpha, not dl-alpha is natural.<BR/>Add to that the fact that Vit E can be seen as a protector during travel. Long haul flights are a significant cause of DVT, so whenever it is feasible, people ought to break up the flight and have one overnight stay.<BR/><BR/>I think you are doing an excellent job with your website.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25570835.post-15747089908217569902008-08-27T17:07:00.000+12:002008-08-27T17:07:00.000+12:00Dr NI am quite astonished with the number of cases...Dr N<BR/>I am quite astonished with the number of cases of DVT that I have come across in the last year and it makes me wonder just how many go undetected - some must end up in catastrophe and other probably disappear of their own accord. <BR/><BR/>I therefore am motivated to get the word out and to get it right at the same time.<BR/><BR/>I am really appreciating your comments about this article.. I have done a bit of a re-write in response.<BR/><BR/>Can you please have a read of it again and give me your opinion.<BR/><BR/>Thanks heapsGary Mollerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12046982185323982734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25570835.post-88819301718218169552008-08-25T23:08:00.000+12:002008-08-25T23:08:00.000+12:00Yes, most definitely. Buying dl-alpha means synthe...Yes, most definitely. Buying dl-alpha means synthetic of course. It is d-alpha you want. Effectiveness of the natural one is at least double although the Shute Brothers did start with the synthetic version at first.<BR/><BR/>There are various kinds of Vitamin E, I prefer (for the purposes discussed here) d-alpha tocopheryl succinate. This is also an excellent adjunct in treatment of malignancies.<BR/><BR/>The Vitamin E Factor by Andreas Papas PhD is a great book covering the subject but one should first obtain one of the Shute books.<BR/>Let us hope that Codex does not ruin our chances to access vitamins in the near future.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25570835.post-73755608691519110672008-08-25T22:53:00.000+12:002008-08-25T22:53:00.000+12:00Thanks Dr N for your most informative comments ab...Thanks Dr N for your most informative comments about DVT and vitamin E. <BR/><BR/>I have noted that sales of vitamin E have plummetted over the last year here in NZ. <BR/><BR/>I wonder if you can help: Is there really a difference in safety and effectiveness between the natural and synthetic versions of E?Gary Mollerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12046982185323982734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25570835.post-5182424051302615922008-08-25T22:29:00.000+12:002008-08-25T22:29:00.000+12:00You asked the key question. What at first glance a...You asked the key question. What at first glance appears to be a difficult question can easily be answered by one word: Money.<BR/>Money's first cousin is control of course.Imagine the chaos if "alternative" treatments were suddenly accepted! Where would the establishment be?<BR/>The Shute brothers were extremely successful with their vitamin E treatments. I am old enough to remember when they proposed the use of 800 - 2000 IU of d-alpha tocopherol (dose depending on clinical response) for Buerger's Disease. The world laughed.<BR/>Then the world laughed even more when the word heart disease was mentioned in conjunction with Tocopherol. Soon, however, it became clear that many doctors were using Vit E for themselves while telling their patients it was quackery.<BR/>There probably is little concern or risk in using gentle massage in healthy asymptomatic persons. However, one ought to always consider if any risk factors are present (recent surgical procedures including dental, long trips in train, bus, car, airplane, inactivity like prolonged bedrest etc.)There is a real danger if a person with a "tight leg" goes to see a masseur who may be undertrained, lazy or dismiss any concerns because he needs the money.<BR/>It is not easy to diagnose clinically many cases of DVT even for experienced physicians.<BR/>How many masseurs do you know who will not blink an eye when confronted with unilateral leg pain, swelling and temp difference in the absence of trauma to that leg?<BR/><BR/>It happens often enough. Even patients who may suspect DVT may overlook it and enlist the services of a masseur, hoping this will prevent problems. <BR/><BR/>Orthomolecular Medicine doctors will usually be the only ones who practice using Tocopherols according to W. and E. Shute. Many conventional doctors will follow the heparin/warfarin protocol while leading the patient to believe that they are now "protected". No word about risk of bleeding internally or intracranially.<BR/><BR/>Dr. N.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25570835.post-47401088950066516842008-08-25T21:25:00.000+12:002008-08-25T21:25:00.000+12:00I agree with what you are saying about the need fo...I agree with what you are saying about the need for caution with massage. Is there any evidence of harm through massage of healthy asymptomatic people? I still think it is safe and effective when done well. What happens though is people with leg pain often go to a masseur first and all masseurs need to be on the lookout for tell-tale symptoms.<BR/><BR/>What you are saying about vitamin E is spot on - thanks. But can you please explain why it appears that it is never used by physicans in preference for Warfarin and other medications which, as you say, come with major long term down sides?Gary Mollerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12046982185323982734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25570835.post-31189572568386467252008-08-25T14:13:00.000+12:002008-08-25T14:13:00.000+12:00Massaging is an absolute contraindication if even ...Massaging is an absolute contraindication if even the slightest suspicion of DVT exists. Since over half of all DVT incidents are without symptoms the question answers itself. I would not want to entrust my life to a masseur who may recognise some objective symptoms on the leg.<BR/>It is not only elderly people who get DVT, on the contrary, olympic athletes are quite prone to it. In the USA, approximately 600 000 people per year are diagnosed and quite a few die inspite of the best medical treatment.<BR/><BR/>I agree with you when it comes to prevention, blood flow is imperative. However, no amount of exercise will overcome the lack of a natural anticlotting factor in our blood which will make us prone to the condition in the first place.<BR/>After all, just exercising the legs during a long flight does little to other regions that are also capable of generating clots.<BR/>So what is the secret weapon?<BR/><BR/>Believe it or not, a thorough reading of the work of the Shute brothers of Canada will most likely convince you of the safety and efficacy of the natural substance, d-alpha tocopherol.<BR/>Unfortunately, most physicians will rely on Vitamin K antagonists like Heparin and Warfarin (Coumadin) to prevent new clots while the body is dissolving the old one(s). While this is often life saving, long term blood thinning is not without dangers, mostly from bleeding (intracranial = stroke).It also does not prevent permanent scarring in the regions that the clots were present for some time (this can include the lungs of course).<BR/>Vitamin E does both. It prevents thrombus formation AND it actively removes clots, something the other "thinners" are not able to do.It also reduces the need of tissues for oxygen.<BR/>Again, any massaging of the legs is potentially life threatening in susceptible individuals and, given the fact that each long haul jumbo jet is believed to carry 5 - 10 DVT sufferers, I would suggest exercising, flooding of all body areas with blood but in an active way, not passively through massage.<BR/>Another smaller but important point is the balance between omega-3 and omega-6, it is often far too high on the n-6 side and, as you know, the sixes are pro-inflammatory and the threes are not.<BR/><BR/>Have you heard of intermittent claudication? Also known as Buerger's Disease or Thromboangiitis obliterans?<BR/><BR/>Quite common. Cure? Vitamin E. Known since the sixties.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25570835.post-33896140672362437732008-08-25T10:58:00.000+12:002008-08-25T10:58:00.000+12:00This is written for healthy people doing sport. I...This is written for healthy people doing sport. I hope you are not suggesting they just sit around and not even get a gentle massage?<BR/><BR/>Even if there is a silent DVT, gentle massage is hardly going to cause problems as compared to violent sports competition or even a vigorous sports masssage. These problems are most likely to be detected early in their development by an experienced masseur, thus saving lives.<BR/><BR/>The intention is to maintain blood flow while traveling to prevent stagnation which. if allowed to happen, will facilitate the development of clots and we don't want that do we? Massage, hydrotherapy, and other rythmic aerobic exercise are ideal for keeping the blood flowing - especially if an athlete is using EPO.<BR/><BR/>If DVT is present, or suspected, then the ball game is very different and it is off to the Dr or emergency clinic in a jiff. So far this year, I have had four people do this with two admitted into hospital. The last one was a semi-pro soccer player who had just arrived from Europe. I drove him straight to the emergency clinic. No playing Dr here!<BR/><BR/>What better would you advise to prevent blood clots in athletes?Gary Mollerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12046982185323982734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25570835.post-40044447060537442402008-08-25T09:48:00.000+12:002008-08-25T09:48:00.000+12:00I think the suggestion of "effleurage" massaging o...I think the suggestion of "effleurage" massaging of legs, from toes toward body is the most ridiculous advice I have heard in many years. How is this supposed to help? If a clot is present, and many are "silent", you will improve any tightness in the leg by sending to clot and its little friends up the leg, into the vena cava, the heart and then into the lungs. Leg better, embolism in lungs. Life-threatening? You bet.<BR/><BR/>Don't you just hate it when lay persons play doctor?<BR/><BR/>I do hope this is posted in the public interest.<BR/>Dr. N.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com